i mean, he was for the iraq war and until he was against it, until bush became president. as long as we've got a democrat in there, i think the good people of syria can depend on carl levin to be with them. >> it's interesting that he's appearing with senator mccain who has been a very vocal advocate of more strength being thrown toward the rebels in syria, including alluding to, perhaps, you know, putting ground troops into syria. now levin and mccain combined. >> the drum beats are clearly growing louder. >> yeah. >> you know, this report of a chemical weapons attack seems to be something that we should step back and let the investigators investigate before we start -- >> by the way, we'd already have been there a long time ago but for the past decade of war. 70,000 dead in syria. and we would have gotten together with the international community. we would have figured out a way to stop the killing. >> some people would consider that a game changer. >> yes. 70,000. >> yes. that's what i'm saying. not so long ago we were talking about 20,000 dead out there. >> i know. >>